tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31579084.post115564534430943620..comments2023-11-05T18:22:27.547+10:30Comments on GLENNO'S GLOBS: Why Pastor's are Leaving the Local ChurchGlenn Globberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10410245917701843467noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31579084.post-25434004280169505092008-02-08T16:45:00.000+10:302008-02-08T16:45:00.000+10:30Bummer.Don't really follow the guy, just grabbed t...Bummer.<BR/>Don't really follow the guy, just grabbed this and didn't want to not say who it was written by. After re-reading what I've pasted, I don't disagree with what is said, I guess that is sometimes the grace of God that even though the character of a person may lead to sin that what they have said or done in the past may be extremely Godly.<BR/>As I think about that even further there are some pretty noble characters in scripture that did some very amazing things lead by God only to sin themselves into trouble - take Noah for example.Glenn Globberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10410245917701843467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31579084.post-89756732433832361302008-02-08T16:26:00.000+10:302008-02-08T16:26:00.000+10:30It is amazing how far afield this Sommervillian ch...It is amazing how far afield this Sommervillian character will travel as his "fruits" become known locally.<BR/><BR/>This jerk got tossed from his "pastoral" role after abusing his members and then lying about it.<BR/><BR/>He was just to wrapped up in himself to see it coming.<BR/><BR/>BTW - in the eyes of the Reverend Terry, if you are gainfully employed, his vision concerning you is - source of income - HIS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31579084.post-1156724268413367102006-08-28T09:47:00.000+09:302006-08-28T09:47:00.000+09:30Well Anonymous, sorry to disappoint you but the Po...Well Anonymous, sorry to disappoint you but the Power rule! You must be very nervous heading into finals the words under-achievers and chokers start to come to mind :) Hey, I've gotta get something out of it, lets face it Port suck this year! anyway . . . . <BR/>Hey I wonder what church that is? Sounds serious though! <BR/>I think some of those questions were probably answered on the weekend?? Maybe, maybe not. I need to say that the whole confidential / discretion issue is a big player in this situation and full credit to those who could have pointed the finger back but did not, which I believe shows true honesty, love and character, despite difficult circumstances. <BR/>Yep the church has been through it's share of pastors 'senior' and not so senior (one of my little beefs) and discontinuty can sure rattle a church who needs sustainability. However, I believe we put too much on our pastors and as a matter of fact I think we should not have pastors in a paid role at all. One Pastor who was present for 13 years (not 17, I know I was around the place slightly when he was in position, a really good man)had a very large impact on the church, as did many pastors around that same era. Not all in a positive way. They were the type of pastors that did a lot and carried the people. Good in one sense, not in another. What the churches needed was equippers, teachers and senders to build the body and then get out of there and let the people be. Check out the apostles. What happens when a pastor does most of the work is that the church become reliant on them to do everthing and be everything and the church becomes fat, happy and content to let it happen. This issue I believe is not the pastor's or elder's it's the players that back off from wanting to play a hard game and get dirty. It's also the leaders for taking on too much and not equipping the people. You know who cops it when that happens on a team, still the coach and leadership and now and then a few players. In this situation no players will get dropped, no players will probably even get a reprimand, just blame upwards, a lose lose. Lets pray that the players grow and rebuild and think carefully about what goals they aim at in the coming years. <BR/>As far as this current leader goes the question is, is he an equipper, teacher, sender and is he willing to let go?Glenn Globberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10410245917701843467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31579084.post-1156427316120669982006-08-24T23:18:00.000+09:302006-08-24T23:18:00.000+09:30I currently am a part of a church headng towards a...I currently am a part of a church headng towards an AGM where at this AGM the Elders are putting forth to the churches members that the current Minister's contract not be extended. As yet there has been no reason provided as to this step by the Elders.<BR/><BR/>Trusting in this Local Church and its structure of being governed by an Eldership, knowing that the Elder is to make these sorts of decisions, based on deep thoughts and prayer to God for his direction and plans for the Church. I would trust in that Eldership decision.<BR/><BR/>Though I am left thoughts of ponder. <BR/><BR/>An Eldership would put deep thought and prayer into selecting the Minister that God wants for his Church. Also put lots of thoughts and prayer into deciding to reach the point where it is time to let go a Minister from the Church.<BR/><BR/>This Church has I would say a history of going though its share of Ministers. I do not believe that God would want his Church do have rapid change in Ministers as history demostrates. Thus I am pondering, has the Church been listening correctly to God in the decision of choosing the Minister, or has the Church been listening wrongly when it lets a Minister go.<BR/><BR/>I have my own thoughts about letting the Minister go or not. Though regardless in which way it goes, I believe there are hard challenges to be prayed through within the Eldership.<BR/><BR/>I have read your article about why are Pastor's leaving. And I have found some of the points put forth enlightening.<BR/><BR/>In the great game of Aussie Rules Football. When a potential top side is doing poorly. Who within the club/organisation gets the finger pointed at, who generally gets the blame. It is traditionally the Coach, though could it also be the players...the administrative personel...or perhaps all three.<BR/><BR/>Final words. Go the Crows this weekend for the Showdown!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31579084.post-1156300298764522742006-08-23T12:01:00.000+09:302006-08-23T12:01:00.000+09:30I think it's a pretty exciting thing to be a part ...I think it's a pretty exciting thing to be a part of! Also seeing that it is not just a local phenomenon, but something that is happening through lots of different followers. I initially had a reaction to the concept of being less specific in terms of a 'mission statement', because I have seen that a lack of clear vision has been a stumbling block for many Christians. But with this new kind of church, the bigger entity doesn't have to focus on anything more than the Great Commission, because it's all those mini-ministries that flow out of the church that are being obedient to God's specific goals in a community. <BR/>I was also pleased to see that this does not abandon things like our church buildings, which COULD become very useful community spaces. Rather it implies that these things will no longer be the focus of our church bodies. Very exciting.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795727894665162904noreply@blogger.com